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Zhou Yuxian was invited to participate in the CCTV dialogue program to talk about entrepreneurship and the story of Chinese building materials

Source: Publicity Department of the Party committee Release time: 2020-08-10

At 21:30 p.m. on August 8, the program "dialogue" of CCTV financial channel broadcast "innovation born under the changing situation". Zhou Yuxian, Secretary of the Party committee and chairman of China Building Materials Group, was invited to participate and share typical examples and wonderful views.

The program video

Host: Chen Weihong

Guest interview:
Zhou Yuxian, Secretary of the Party committee and chairman of China Building Materials Group
Jiao Chengyao, chairman of Zhengzhou Coal Mining Machinery Group
Huang Li, chairman of Wuhan Gaode infrared Co., Ltd

Reviewer Observer:
Yao Jingyuan, special researcher of the Counselor's office of the State Council

Let's have a look at more wonderful contents and materials~

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How can entrepreneurs face the "difficulties" in the first half of the year?

Chen Weihong: in 2020, due to the impact of the epidemic, China's economy is facing difficult tests and challenges over the years. However, in the relevant data of the second quarter of China's economy released by the National Bureau of statistics, we are pleased to see that China's economic growth has turned from negative to positive in the second quarter of this year, with a year-on-year growth of 3.2% Chinese enterprises and Chinese entrepreneurs shoulder heavy burdens. In today's "dialogue" program, we invited the leaders of three enterprises.

Everyone said that the first quarter of this year was particularly difficult. I have been wondering what kind of expression will appear on the faces of these three entrepreneurs when I see them today? The first thing I thought about was this expression, "I'm too hard.". Do you feel that you have spoken your heart?

Zhou Yuxian: I think a large part of the voice of my heart. I went back to my hometown for the new year's Eve, but on the second day of the new year's day, I went to our enterprises in Zhejiang to do on-site consolation, because we have 200000 employees, and there are more than 30000 employees on duty during the Spring Festival. Since then, a large part of the staff, including myself, have not had Saturdays and Sundays, and there is not enough time. In fact, with the gradual transformation of the domestic anti epidemic situation into the overseas anti epidemic situation, 70 overseas projects are still suspended in that place, which is also difficult.

How much vitality has been restored?

Chen Weihong: when we focus on the three industries, we are very concerned about the current vitality of these three industries. If we take 100 as the full score of vitality value, can the three give a score to their own industry?

Zhou Yuxian: as a matter of fact, when you listen to Chinese building materials, your first reaction is the building materials industry. However, a large part of it is about making new materials, so in this sense, from our industry, I think we can give 85 points. Let's start with ourselves. Through the hard work of all the staff for six months, we have double-digit growth compared with the same period last year. In the second aspect, I think we still have some deficiencies. For example, the growth of the whole national building materials industry is lower than the figure I just said. Just now I said that there is still a gap between 85 points and 100 points. As the largest building materials enterprise in the world, we should make more efforts to promote the whole industry chain and the whole industry.

What is the magic of high strength carbon fiber?

Chen Weihong: before today's program, we have assigned a small task to the three entrepreneurs. If you want to make your field more energetic and more promising, please present your unique secret script and tell everyone. So today, they have brought large and small models, and what kind of innovation power are contained in these products?

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Zhou Yuxian: This is carbon fiber. This is a UAV made of carbon fiber. This is a roll of carbon fiber. You can see that this is like a rope, but there are more than 10000 carbon fibers here, each of which has a very high strength.

Chen Weihong: it's so expensive that I dare not pull it casually.

Zhou Yuxian: you pull hard and keep pulling. We usually see the aircraft, real large aircraft, such as large-scale double channel aircraft, an aircraft needs to use more than 20 tons of carbon fiber, except that the nose is not carbon fiber composite material, from its middle section, back section to tail wing, all use this carbon fiber. With the demand of our country, the strength of T300 has been developed to the strength of T1000. Ordinary low-strength ones, such as our leisure skis and tennis rackets, can be made of this kind of carbon fiber. However, with the carbon fiber for high-end cars, aerospace and large aircraft, they all need higher strength.

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Chen Weihong: it can also withstand high temperature and low temperature.

Zhou Yuxian: Yes, it is resistant to high temperature and low temperature, and its density is very low. Its density is one fifth of that of steel. If you make an airplane with carbon fiber and steel, the weight will be reduced to one fifth of the original value. In this way, the aircraft can be more economical and environmentally friendly. Therefore, in the field of ordinary materials, carbon fiber is generally said to be the "black gold" in materials. This carbon fiber China Building Materials Group has been grinding a sword for ten years. For ten years, the first nine years of the decade were in loss, and the first year of this year was profitable. Two days ago, the general manager of carbon fiber company called me and said, Chairman

Chen Weihong: we made a profit.

Zhou Yuxian: Yes, it has made a profit, but this process is ten years. The reason is that it is blocked all over the world. At present, only three countries have this technology. Our country has to have its own intellectual property rights. Since 2010, the research and development of T700 and T800 can reach the level of 10000 tons per year.

  Why do they "prefer to go to Hushan"?

Chen Weihong: why do you have to take this innovative road full of thorns and even many challenges to get it through?

Zhou Yuxian: of course, the first responsibility of an enterprise is to make profits. However, as a central enterprise, it also undertakes social responsibility and national responsibility. The overall industrial development of our country needs such high-end products. Naturally, we should try our best to solve the materials that our country does not have when we can make a profit. But in the end, we should return to the profitable one. For scientific research achievements, it is not a matter of winning or losing. It depends on the long-term and short-term cooperation. We have products that make money now, but we should think of products that can make money in ten years.

Yao Jingyuan: I think what they said just now is exactly the essence of innovation in entrepreneurship that we are going to explore.

Chen Weihong: an ideal.  

Yao Jingyuan: you say Mr. Zhou, he can lose a carbon fiber for ten years. This is a kind of pursuit. If he stopped doing it for profit, he would have done those things to make quick money. Ten years ago, who could guarantee success? And innovation should be said to be quite risky. In entrepreneurship, this kind of innovation is indeed a pursuit and a realm.

How do entrepreneurs balance innovation and development?

Chen Weihong: as entrepreneurs, in your mind, how to balance such a long period of research process, so much investment in scientific research, and the relationship between innovation and enterprise development.

Zhou Yuxian: as the general secretary said, innovation is the first driving force. If you don't seek innovation, the enterprise will certainly not last for a long time. As Mr. Huang said just now, if you lack heart, you will die sooner or later. You must die later. But how to balance the specific work. My own experience for so many years shows that, as an entrepreneur, whether you are doing investment or scientific research and innovation, one problem to be solved is strategic rationality and economic rationality, which should be balanced. If you only consider the strategic rationality, do not consider the economic rationality, no economy can maintain the normal operation of your enterprise, you want to realize that big strategy, it is impossible.

  Chen Weihong: it's hard to continue.

Zhou Yuxian: it's hard to continue. Your business is doomed. Your strategy is naturally empty. To really balance the relationship between the two, it may be a difficult but necessary thing to make a choice, whether as an entrepreneur, a company or a decision-making team. How tolerant should innovation be?

Chen Weihong: in many entrepreneurs with innovative consciousness and spirit, we can see totally different characteristics. Today, we have written these characteristics in short words on our big screen. What kind of vocabulary matches you?

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Zhou Yuxian: I still choose the first two, one is fault tolerance, the other is motivation. Innovation is not something that can be done in a short period of time. Unlike our usual assessment of an economic indicator, how much is the profit margin, profit and cost of this year's sales, you don't necessarily expect to say that I will be able to complete this innovation in three years or five years. As I said just now, if I'm not careful, I will take 10 years, and even I may grind it for 10 years. So how to tolerate the innovation team burning money every year in this process is not necessarily wrong, but it is a rule, that is, you must tolerate the law of innovation, so you should meet such a law in assessment and incentive. You can't say that he didn't finish the target this year, so don't do it next year. Like our ultra-thin glass, now we can make it as thin as A4 paper, and we will make flexible glass in the next step. This is glass. You sound like paper.

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Flexible 0.12 mm ultra thin electronic glass

Why make glass as thin as paper?

Chen Weihong: Yes, it's not the same as the glass we usually touch.

Zhou Yuxian: the same as A4 paper, we generally thought that the glass with a thickness of two millimeters was thinner ten years ago. In 2010, it started to pull from 1.5mm, from 1mm to 0.5mm, and then to about 0.5mm in 2013, and then went down again. It took another year to reach 0.3mm, and from 0.2mm to 0.12mm for another four years Glass is pulled out on a groove surface.

What's the use of thinning? For example, our ultra-thin glass, now we have four pieces of glass on our mobile phone, from the cover shell to the touch screen glass, to the two pieces of glass displayed inside. We have a feeling that the mobile phone is getting thinner and thinner now. If each glass is 1.5mm, the thickness of light glass will be 6mm. Our mobile phones are not so thick in total There's no place for other devices. What's more, after we thinned the glass, the TFT glass of the whole country's large screen used to be imported. Since last year, we have been able to localize the two pieces of glass on the TFT substrate of the large screen. Therefore, the TFT LCD screen you buy now has been reduced by several thousand yuan. Among them, it should be allowed to assess the team according to the laws of scientific research. Even if it takes a longer time, it may be more than ten years. Who can know that in ten years, it will really make the same as A4 paper. Therefore, I think that for the scientific research and innovation team, this fault tolerance does not necessarily mean that he did something wrong. In terms of the identity of an entrepreneur, he must tolerate it and try to find out the rules for what kind of innovation, which can not be broken.

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Chen Weihong: if I were a researcher, I would expect my leaders to treat my research with fault tolerance. So I'm curious. I've done scientific research with you, and I'm looking forward to my leader's fault tolerance and encouragement in the laboratory. Is there any internal connection?

Zhou Yuxian: I think so, because I have been engaged in research for 18 years. I have to find a way to break through this point. But now, as the chairman of an enterprise, what I want to consider is that after the results come out, I can solve the profit model of our group in the next 10 years.

Chen Weihong: development.

Zhou Yuxian: it can solve some bottlenecks and difficulties faced by our country and our whole material industry. I think as an enterprise, as an entrepreneur, we must think about its social responsibility and state responsibility when we can provide better returns to shareholders. So in this sense, I feel that having done R & D with myself has a little influence, that is to say, at that time, I was very eager for my leader and my boss to tolerate that he had a little more time to complete this achievement.

Chen Weihong: give me another year.

Zhou Yuxian: if you give me another year, you may be able to finish it. Maybe you don't know how many years it will take. But when you break through, you will feel that this is right.

What's the best way to encourage innovation?

Chen Weihong: one thing we have in common is motivation. If there is no incentive, we really have no motivation.

Zhou Yuxian: Why did I say the word "incentive" is also very important. 65% of China Building Materials Group has mixed ownership. We have cooperated with nearly 1000 private enterprises. For example, Jushi of China, glass fiber has become the world's largest. The president of this listed company was also a private entrepreneur we cooperated with more than ten years ago. Now the company has a profit of more than 2 billion yuan a year. He holds nearly 20% of the shares in the company. We can convert it into market value. Now it is about 8 billion yuan, which can be converted into annual profit of 2 billion yuan multiplied by 20%, about 400 million yuan.

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Tongxiang base of Jushi, Zhejiang, China

Chen Weihong: so the two words of encouragement are not light and heavy.

Zhou Yuxian: that's right.

How to "untie" entrepreneurs in innovation?

Yao Jingyuan: General Secretary also said that innovation means development and innovation means future. Why does the CPC Central Committee and the general secretary still emphasize innovation repeatedly? That is, the atmosphere and mechanism of encouraging innovation, respecting innovation and encouraging innovation in the whole society have not yet been fully formed. Therefore, I think our government should study the formulation of policies, one of which is to clear away some of the things that still exist that restrict entrepreneurs' innovation.

Chen Weihong: what you said reminds me of the letter written by some factory directors in Fujian at the beginning of the reform and opening up. They collectively called for the release of our entrepreneurs.

Yao Jingyuan: our rural reform started from Xiaogang Village and the household contract responsibility system, and the industrial reform started from the 55 factory directors in Fujian Province who asked for deregulation and decentralization. In fact, in terms of entrepreneurship, we have allowed the entrepreneurship to continue to carry forward and play a role. I think we need to untie our entrepreneurs.

Chen Weihong: the loosening of the new era and the encouragement of the new era.

Yao Jingyuan: let them better encourage the spirit of innovation.

How can entrepreneurs promote development with an international perspective?

Chen Weihong: there is another word in this screen that is closely related to every entrepreneur on the road of innovation, that is, "mind". Today, more and more Chinese enterprises are going to the world, so when we are based in China, how to write the word "mind" and how to better embody the two words "China and the world" on the road of enterprise innovation. I know that President Zhou himself and his team have been fighting all over the world in the past seven or eight years. Dozens or hundreds of merger and acquisition projects were born one after another in such efforts.

Zhou Yuxian: my own deepest experience is that when we go to do mergers and acquisitions, or we go to invest, in addition to making profits, it is very important to think about what contribution we can bring to the local society, the local government and the local people. First, we should increase taxes for the local government. Second, we should increase employment opportunities for local residents. Third, we can actually live in harmony with the environment. If these three points can be achieved, I think the profit of investment may be just a process.

Chen Weihong: in fact, if you look at the major events of global economic development, you will see the figure of many outstanding entrepreneurs. With the tide of China's reform and opening up, we have seen the continuous emergence of groups of entrepreneurs. They are a link between the preceding and the following, and they carry on the past and open up the future.

Thank you for watching today's dialogue. Thank you to all the entrepreneurs who came to our program and our guest of comment, Mr. Yao Jingyuan! See you next week at the same time.